Comments on: Uzbeks and Kazakhs http://sandbox.bittabola.com/misc/uzbeks-and-kazakhs/ Testing, testing... © Half-Life Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:15:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Frost007 http://sandbox.bittabola.com/misc/uzbeks-and-kazakhs/comment-page-1/#comment-959 Frost007 Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:27:32 +0000 http://sandbox.bittabola.com/misc/uzbeks-and-kazakhs/#comment-959 Indeed, man does not live by bread alone. However, today's prosperity is allowing the Kazakhs truly behave as an independent nation. They didn't recognize S. Ocetia and Abkhazia's independence, thus not fearing confrontation with Russia. Uzbekistan cannot do it because poverty has tied it to Moscow. Nowadays, the US and the EU cares about Kazakhstan more than it does about Uzbekistan. It is because the Uzbeks used to lead a sedantary lifestyle vs Kazakh nomadic lifestyle for centuries, that the Uzbeks were able to develop more refined culture than that of the Kazakhs. Modern Kazakhs are increasingly living in urban areas so they also will refine their culture and doubled with their economic success, they might become the cheif representative of the Central Asia. But I don't think they can get away too far - as the waying goes "bozoqni qochgani somonxonagacha" and Uzbeks will not be far behind. Not all is lost. Plus, do not forget, living next to a prosperous neighbor is always good. You will do business and get prosperous too. Here is your consolation... Cheers, frost007 Indeed, man does not live by bread alone. However, today’s prosperity is allowing the Kazakhs truly behave as an independent nation. They didn’t recognize S. Ocetia and Abkhazia’s independence, thus not fearing confrontation with Russia. Uzbekistan cannot do it because poverty has tied it to Moscow. Nowadays, the US and the EU cares about Kazakhstan more than it does about Uzbekistan.

It is because the Uzbeks used to lead a sedantary lifestyle vs Kazakh nomadic lifestyle for centuries, that the Uzbeks were able to develop more refined culture than that of the Kazakhs. Modern Kazakhs are increasingly living in urban areas so they also will refine their culture and doubled with their economic success, they might become the cheif representative of the Central Asia. But I don’t think they can get away too far – as the waying goes “bozoqni qochgani somonxonagacha” and Uzbeks will not be far behind. Not all is lost. Plus, do not forget, living next to a prosperous neighbor is always good. You will do business and get prosperous too. Here is your consolation…

Cheers,
frost007

]]> By: Bittabola http://sandbox.bittabola.com/misc/uzbeks-and-kazakhs/comment-page-1/#comment-937 Bittabola Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:00:34 +0000 http://sandbox.bittabola.com/misc/uzbeks-and-kazakhs/#comment-937 Yes, I agree with you, Frost007. But in my opinion, the cultural dominance and expansion is more important and useful than the things Kazakhs achieved lately. Yes, I agree with you, Frost007. But in my opinion, the cultural dominance and expansion is more important and useful than the things Kazakhs achieved lately.

]]> By: Frost007 http://sandbox.bittabola.com/misc/uzbeks-and-kazakhs/comment-page-1/#comment-934 Frost007 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:51:37 +0000 http://sandbox.bittabola.com/misc/uzbeks-and-kazakhs/#comment-934 Uzbek - Kazakh rivalry has intensified recently and I think Kazakhs have won because of their rapid economic development. Many countries open their regional consulates or embassies in Almaty, not in Tashkent, and the Uzbeks have to travel to Almaty to get a Canadian visa for example. Many foreign businesses have offices and do business in Almaty, not in Tashkent, and Uzbeks go to Almaty to do many of the lower-skilled jobs. In a way, Almaty has already become regional leader. Right after independence Uzbekistan was still considered a reginal leader in Central Asia but restrictive business policies of the Uzbek state shooed away many businesses into Kazakhstan and those never returned from there even after the Uzbek state loosened its policies. A the sayign goes, it was a dollar short, an hour late. Being Uzbek myself it is painful to watch this but I would give credit to the Kazakhs. The silver lining here, I guess, is that prosperoty is possible in the Central Asia. The Uzbeks will benefit from having a more prosperous neighbor nextdoor in long run. Most probably, oil will be instrumental in keeping the Kazakh economy well ahead of the Uzbek economy for decades to come. Only thing left for Uzbeks at this moment is to culturally dominate Kazakhs. When I was working in Almaty I noticed that Kazakhs eat Uzbek food, watch Uzbek movies and listen to Uzbek songs because Uzbeks donimate them in those areas. We don't watch Kazakh movies or Kazakh music and we don't eat Kazakh food becuase it is widely beleived to be of inferior taste. Uzbek – Kazakh rivalry has intensified recently and I think Kazakhs have won because of their rapid economic development. Many countries open their regional consulates or embassies in Almaty, not in Tashkent, and the Uzbeks have to travel to Almaty to get a Canadian visa for example. Many foreign businesses have offices and do business in Almaty, not in Tashkent, and Uzbeks go to Almaty to do many of the lower-skilled jobs. In a way, Almaty has already become regional leader.

Right after independence Uzbekistan was still considered a reginal leader in Central Asia but restrictive business policies of the Uzbek state shooed away many businesses into Kazakhstan and those never returned from there even after the Uzbek state loosened its policies. A the sayign goes, it was a dollar short, an hour late.

Being Uzbek myself it is painful to watch this but I would give credit to the Kazakhs. The silver lining here, I guess, is that prosperoty is possible in the Central Asia. The Uzbeks will benefit from having a more prosperous neighbor nextdoor in long run.

Most probably, oil will be instrumental in keeping the Kazakh economy well ahead of the Uzbek economy for decades to come. Only thing left for Uzbeks at this moment is to culturally dominate Kazakhs. When I was working in Almaty I noticed that Kazakhs eat Uzbek food, watch Uzbek movies and listen to Uzbek songs because Uzbeks donimate them in those areas. We don’t watch Kazakh movies or Kazakh music and we don’t eat Kazakh food becuase it is widely beleived to be of inferior taste.

]]> By: Azimuth http://sandbox.bittabola.com/misc/uzbeks-and-kazakhs/comment-page-1/#comment-343 Azimuth Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:13:45 +0000 http://sandbox.bittabola.com/misc/uzbeks-and-kazakhs/#comment-343 I think this the heritage from times when Kokand hanate ruled much of nowadays Kazakh lands :) I think this the heritage from times when Kokand hanate ruled much of nowadays Kazakh lands :)

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